Responsibility of the heroic, part 3

part 3The Equality Bill does not impose positive discrimination; in fact, it makes it illegal. The Equality Bill actually protects religious freedom and enforces it. The right to practise your religion and manifest your religious beliefs is entrenched in the Bill. Nothing in the Bill affects priests, clergy, or those who promote various religions. The Bill protects ordinary employees – not clergy – from religious, gender and other forms of discrimination – people like cleaners – and quite right too. ‘The Human race is doomed, it will discriminate against itself and step aside for pond scum as it had a bad upbringing.’ Peter Tatchell takes umbrage at the Roman pontiffs reque st for England to uphold their established legal right to freedom of conscience, by stating that he is interfering in the law of the land; blithely ignoring the fact that the equality bill is not yet the established law of the land. I know the Catholic Church, of which I am proud to be a member, has been responsible for some terrible things, not least anti-semitism and the serious abuse of trust of children. What you don’t hear about are the thousands and thousands of unknown members doing their best to help their fellow men. I think of the Comboni Sisters working in hell holes in Africa and elswhere, caring, unpaid and not swanning round in air con 4x4s like the aid agencies. Have a sense of proportion and some common decency. A religious institution is not an industrial or corporate workplace, but an association of people who share a religious, spiritual conviction; they are not independent actors coming together to participate in a joint enterprise to fulfil some secular goal. That’s why the right to discriminate on the basis of conscience, is a right that public and private institutes should not have. “This bill, risibly, could quite mischievously be used to force other voluntary associations – such as political parties, pressure groups etc – to accept into membership folk diametrically opposed to their ideals and aims.” The Pope is making an important point about religious freedom, and I’m glad David Blackburn has picked up on that. Once we start diluting religion, or – like the CoE – adapting faith to fit in with contemporary morality, then we risk damaging our commonly shared values. There is an unfortunate tendency for some on the Right to cast themselves in the role of the “oppressed” moral majority whenever sexual or ethnic minorities have the temerity to assert themselves. To people like that, I would ask the following question: are you at risk of being murdered in Trafalgar Square, in full public view, because of your choice of sexual partner? Do you fear being beaten up at night because you dress in a way the local hoodies consider “effeminate”? If not, please do us all a favour and shut up for a change.Somebody said; it’s quite depressing reading – and finding myself responding – to comments like yours. I feel tarnished just reading the stuff. But, really, have a good hard think about this. Do you seriously believe that Pope Benedict is a Nazi, or an ex-Nazi for that matter? That really is low. Simply because the man was born in Germany during that period. I don’t know if you’re trying to be cute, or whether you seriously believe what you’re saying. If the latter, then God help the whole tone of this debate. Oh really? During 1939-45 the Catholic Church was a willing collaborator with the Nazis and afterwards helped many of them to escape justice. EC says “the Catholic Church was a willing collaborator with the Nazis”. What a shame the message never got through to my father, who spent three years of hell as a Jap POW, or my mother’s three first cousins who died in WW2,two killed in action fighting Nazis, or my mother’s American cousin wounded on Omaha beach, or my naval chaplain uncle on who bravely fought Nazism. Remember, a church isn’t just a place, it’s a community of believers. The philosophical position of Nazism and Catholicism are polar opposites, as one is secular & specific and one is religious and universal. If religions have to seek accommodations with secular realities its not because they find succour in them, they don’t, its merely a reality on the ground. The Americans helped far more Nazis escape justice and American liberalism is in no way sympathetic to a totalitarian existential ideology. Read the exceptions section of the published Bill (especially pp.214-17) before throwing about nebulous accusations of ‘unbritishness’ and ‘suppression of liberty’. I think they look really quite liberal. Unlike the Pope…The holocaust and the Catholic Church’s participation in it, by action or inaction, is a matter of public record you hypocrites. Why does the Vatican still keep silent when their church in France felt the need to apologise for it? The Catholic church and the Pope suffered a failure to condemn the sectarian murders in Northern Ireland and that is also a matter of public record. In the 30 years of the troubles, unequivocal statements condemning the murder of innocent civilialians were…We can all look to religions and see faults, but the Pope’s comments went deeper than perhaps we realise. This bill is against the people, its stops the will to be free and speak and say what a person wants. Its a truly proper ploy of communists, create laws to make you comply. We do have a fundemental right to freedom of speech, but who we employ, with this bill will be ruled by it. We cannot choose on merit anymore but by gender. Harmon’s policy has done more to destroy and divide this country than Hitler, and the silence from the opposition speaks volumes. Are they all so brainwashed they no longer can argue or debate? We have a government and parliament which is under the EU and therefore is not really now necessary, they agree and pass all bills, this has been approved by them too. No, this nation is now subserviant and laws past will make us more so, our voice is now dead. God rest England for she has surrendered. I am not a Roman Catholic; and though I do not worship regularly in my heart I am a Christian, as, I suspect the great majority of those who dwell in these islands are, somebody said. Christianity; a faith based on love, is and always has been a force for good, but it is also true that many bad and evil things have been done in the churches name. The pope is correct in this matter, but he made a serious faux pas, considering British history with Catholicism, by not leaving it up to his own hierarchy in Britain to make the case. He is, as a world leader, curiously inept and undiplomatic. His “pontifications” constantly demonstrate insouciance regarding human susceptibilities, as compared with his obsession with theological dogmatism. And, although I agree that he was, as a young boy, not responsible for his involvement in the Hitler Jugend, I still think the Catholic Church was extremely negligent of public opinion, world-wide, to pick someone of that background as their world leader and spokesperson. I am a nominal Catholic, an admirer of Newman (whose beliefs regarding the supremacy of conscience are, I suspect, personally anathema to this pope and his predecessor), and I am a supporter of “gay rights,” which I think would not be well-served by this “Equality Bill.”

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