Responsibility of the heroic, part 2

part 2…
There is a ‘Spectator’s debate about state proscription in England that I give here now. Pope Benedict XVI is correct: the Equality Bill is fundamentally un-British, said David Blackburn in Spectator-magazine on Tuesday, 2nd February 2010. Without gays, the Catholic Church couldn’t muster enough priests to form a hurling team. I doubt His Holiness and I would hit it off, but he is right that Harriet Harman’s Equality Bill would impose strictures upon religious communities that run contrary to their beliefs. The coalescence of British and EU anti-discrimination law is but an immodest garment for trenchant ideology. Harman’s bill strives to subjugate individual freedoms, such as that to religious expression, beneath state-imposed rights. This legislation is the progeny of faith in social engineering, not social mobility; it ignores that toleration and freedom in Britain were derived from the right to religious observance free from state proscriptions. If enacted, the bill will require organisations to employ without thought to suitability, and allocate resources under the perverse dictates of positive-discrimination. In practice it will conflict with the stupendous fabric of precedents that define rights to individual expression as supreme. Ironically, anti-discrimination measures will be invoked to ensure that religious groups may practice their faith without hindrance. Equality defers to liberty. Everything about this horrid government is un-British; it has done damage with every act, it has perverted our traditional values of, fairness, moderation, tolerance and tries to impose its own perverted diktats. Atheistic homosexuals must not feel abandoned. One hardly knows whether to laugh or cry. The demonstrations against the Pope’s visit to Britain are to feature Peter Tatchell, who, by lowering the age of consent to 14, would legalise practically all of the acts that have brought scandal on the Church. Except when Catholic priests engage in them, sexual acts between men and teenage boys are glorified by the Political and Media Classes, who vilify anyone who objects. Tatchell’s treatment as a National Treasure illustrates this. As does the political role of Harriet Harman of the Equalities Bill, formerly legal advisor to the Paedophile Information Exchange and to Paedophile Action for Liberation, as reported in The Daily Telegraph last March. Perhaps the Holy Father expected the Tories to take the cue, and pipe up that they would repeal the Equalities Bill and other anti-Catholic, anti-Christian legislation. But I doubt it. Their votes, on this and on eighty-five per cent of the Government’s programme, speak for themselves. So his point is made precisely by their, and the Lib Dems’, failure to say a word: do not vote for any of them, but make alternative arrangements instead. Hating gays is not fundamentally Catholic. Pandering to gays is fundamentally Blairite and Heirite. Doubtless Labour think that they can invoke the latent anti-Catholicism present not far from the surface in Britain so that people will ignore what the Pope is saying and what the real issue is. There are 2 issues here: the right of gays not to suffer discrimination and the right of religious groups to practise their faith freely. I see no good reason why religious groups should not be able to say that if you want to join them, work for them then you need to subscribe to the faith i.e. if a gay person wishes to work for the Catholic church then he should be expected to be a Catholic. To say otherwise, to say that a synagogue or a church or a mosque should be required by law to employ someone who does not share their faith, indeed, may be hostile to it or behaving in a way incompatible with it is abhorrent. This is not about equality or toleration: it’s about an intolerant secular world view seeking to impose its view on those who are religious. The second issue follows from the first: when minorities have rights which clash with each other, whose rights come first? Or do we have a sort of Top Trumps where this group’s rights trump that group’s rights? Labour have led us into this cul de sac because they simply do not (or refuse to) understand what true toleration is in a liberal democracy – live and let live – but rather think that there is only one approved way of thinking or living and that it is the state’s job to ensure that everyone should share that view. More generally, if Judeo-Christian values which- in their broadest sense – underpin Western civilization, are pushed out of the public domain, there will be a vacuum into which all sorts of nasty, un-Western and/or definitely not liberal or tolerant views will come rushing in: Fascism and Communism in the last century and their bastard child – political Islam in this. Catholics don’t hate gays, but homosexuality is considered a sin, this is of course an almost obsolete concept for Protestants and irrelevant to atheists and agnostics, who must judge this practice, or preference, on different criteria. So it is perfectly common and reasonable for people to accept the personal right for individuals to practice homosexuality, as with hetrosexuality, within the limits considered acceptable by society, whilst finding its practice personally unappealing and repugnant. On the same basis, neither hetro nor homosexuals, of whatever religion, age or gender, should be subject to discrimination or its concomitant, woefully misconceived equality legislation. Anybody who believes that blind enforcement of “equality” is a good thing or who believes the mantra that “discrimination is wicked” must be either malevolent or very stupid indeed – or insane. Carroll Barry Walsh The Catholic Church calls gays “disordered and morally evil” sound like hate to me.. The Catholic Church is the biggest force for evil that human beings have ever the misfortune to encounter .. Islam is but a rank amateur in human misery in comparison. I found on this debate such as follows: ‘The Catholic Church is the biggest force for evil that human beings have ever the misfortune to encounter .. Islam is but a rank amateur in human misery in comparison.’

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